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	<title>Comments on: 4.8. The Open Source, Open Standards and Reuse Strategy</title>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.makeitbetter.org.uk/?p=74&#038;cpage=1#comment-294</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Open source on the desktop is a disaster. Anyone got any idea why all those big corporates don’t convert their desktops to Linux? Then why should government do the same?&quot;

IBM do, and they also sell what they use too.  Open Source it may be, but it is certainly not free and certainly not cheap.

Open Source is great, but you still need expertise.  Any one can look at the source code, but just having it and being able to look at it does not mean that you will be able to fix it on your own.

I can open the bonnet of my car and look at the engine, but when it breaks I&#039;m going to go to the mechanics - the government will be the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Open source on the desktop is a disaster. Anyone got any idea why all those big corporates don’t convert their desktops to Linux? Then why should government do the same?&#8221;</p>
<p>IBM do, and they also sell what they use too.  Open Source it may be, but it is certainly not free and certainly not cheap.</p>
<p>Open Source is great, but you still need expertise.  Any one can look at the source code, but just having it and being able to look at it does not mean that you will be able to fix it on your own.</p>
<p>I can open the bonnet of my car and look at the engine, but when it breaks I&#8217;m going to go to the mechanics &#8211; the government will be the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Winston Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.makeitbetter.org.uk/?p=74&#038;cpage=1#comment-274</link>
		<dc:creator>Winston Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Open source on the desktop is a disaster. Anyone got any idea why all those big corporates don&#039;t convert their desktops to Linux? Then why should government do the same?

People here who tout OpenOffice have clearly never used the spreadsheet it comes with, which is more than 100x slower than Excel.

And Base is even worse, ugly, slow and crashes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Open source on the desktop is a disaster. Anyone got any idea why all those big corporates don&#8217;t convert their desktops to Linux? Then why should government do the same?</p>
<p>People here who tout OpenOffice have clearly never used the spreadsheet it comes with, which is more than 100x slower than Excel.</p>
<p>And Base is even worse, ugly, slow and crashes.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Horgan</title>
		<link>http://www.makeitbetter.org.uk/?p=74&#038;cpage=1#comment-268</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Horgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Open source is not a panacea, though in some instances it can be very useful. If you are going to use open source then some policy for deployment is required, where the skills are going to reside, indemnification in the case of commerical loss and so on. Also useful would be a commitment to use vanilla commercial software. Much additional cost typically comes from customising existing applications, often for little actual benefit.

Also, &#039;by 2015 public bodies will review existing solutions available before going to market for new solutions&#039; is quite appalling in that they don&#039;t do this already, and it appears that accelerating this very unambitious date could bring significant savings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Open source is not a panacea, though in some instances it can be very useful. If you are going to use open source then some policy for deployment is required, where the skills are going to reside, indemnification in the case of commerical loss and so on. Also useful would be a commitment to use vanilla commercial software. Much additional cost typically comes from customising existing applications, often for little actual benefit.</p>
<p>Also, &#8216;by 2015 public bodies will review existing solutions available before going to market for new solutions&#8217; is quite appalling in that they don&#8217;t do this already, and it appears that accelerating this very unambitious date could bring significant savings.</p>
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		<title>By: Marion</title>
		<link>http://www.makeitbetter.org.uk/?p=74&#038;cpage=1#comment-247</link>
		<dc:creator>Marion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 10:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Open Source. Absolutely.

Spend the money on actually making systems work for the benefit of the general public, instead of letting it go into the financial black hole of expensive proprietory software and the accompanying software management consultancies.
Why this doesn&#039;t happen is a mystery to me - though as there is significant money involved I can make a guess. 
 
(Schools should use and teach about open source software too.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Open Source. Absolutely.</p>
<p>Spend the money on actually making systems work for the benefit of the general public, instead of letting it go into the financial black hole of expensive proprietory software and the accompanying software management consultancies.<br />
Why this doesn&#8217;t happen is a mystery to me &#8211; though as there is significant money involved I can make a guess. </p>
<p>(Schools should use and teach about open source software too.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.makeitbetter.org.uk/?p=74&#038;cpage=1#comment-231</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Open source is definately the way word, and the UK gov should be encouraging open standards and development rather than using proprietary systems</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Open source is definately the way word, and the UK gov should be encouraging open standards and development rather than using proprietary systems</p>
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		<title>By: Prof. Marcus Xaesar</title>
		<link>http://www.makeitbetter.org.uk/?p=74&#038;cpage=1#comment-153</link>
		<dc:creator>Prof. Marcus Xaesar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>COTS were all Lockheed licensees and then often implemented on Oracle and Microsoft n.b. now it&#039;s coined as DoI and DoE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>COTS were all Lockheed licensees and then often implemented on Oracle and Microsoft n.b. now it&#8217;s coined as DoI and DoE</p>
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		<title>By: citizen46</title>
		<link>http://www.makeitbetter.org.uk/?p=74&#038;cpage=1#comment-152</link>
		<dc:creator>citizen46</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Going in the right direction</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Going in the right direction</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Burrell Donkin</title>
		<link>http://www.makeitbetter.org.uk/?p=74&#038;cpage=1#comment-138</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Burrell Donkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>COTS? What a load of rubbish! 

The COTS tag is used by suppliers to dishonestly drive up costs by delivering heavily customised software without the rights to the source required to allow modifications to fix bugs or add new features. So, once the initial contract is signed, the supplier has the government over a barrel - and the public gets shafted.

It&#039;s well known that most of the money made in this type of contract is made from maintenance. This is where COTS = COSTS. Lack of source rights means that competition over service is not possible and competitors (big and small) are locked out of the market. 

Open source has many potential benefits. One that is often overlooked is that it allows entrepreneurs and small businesses currently locked out by rules on supplier size to compete on merit for parts of a contract. 

But the root cause is the failure of the Government to ensure that the public secures rights to access the source, to fix bugs and to add features to the information systems it buys. So, though moving completely to free and open source software (FOSS) would solve this problem, this isn&#039;t not necessary. 

Just ensure that the public has the rights it deserves for it&#039;s vast expenditure. And if the current generation of suppliers want to walk away - let them go. New entrepreneurs untainted by failure will step up to replace them. 

The second key is to provide a mechanism to allow public spirited advocates to speak on behalf of alternative innovative information system solutions during the procurement process. Increased use of FOSS should not just be about repeating the failures of the part at reduced cost. The purchasing process is dominated by those with vested interests in ensuring an expensive but inappropriate solution are chosen. High risk, expensive revolutionary approaches are chosen in the knowledge that the public will continue to pay until they work, without even considering whether low cost, low risk evolutionary approaches might deliver more at less cost.

It is particularly ironic that the public in the UK includes some of the world&#039;s forecast computer scientists, world famous information architects and top coders but the state fears to ask their expert advice. The cost and impact of these systems are vast. The process needs to be more like a public inquiry and less like back room horse trading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>COTS? What a load of rubbish! </p>
<p>The COTS tag is used by suppliers to dishonestly drive up costs by delivering heavily customised software without the rights to the source required to allow modifications to fix bugs or add new features. So, once the initial contract is signed, the supplier has the government over a barrel &#8211; and the public gets shafted.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s well known that most of the money made in this type of contract is made from maintenance. This is where COTS = COSTS. Lack of source rights means that competition over service is not possible and competitors (big and small) are locked out of the market. </p>
<p>Open source has many potential benefits. One that is often overlooked is that it allows entrepreneurs and small businesses currently locked out by rules on supplier size to compete on merit for parts of a contract. </p>
<p>But the root cause is the failure of the Government to ensure that the public secures rights to access the source, to fix bugs and to add features to the information systems it buys. So, though moving completely to free and open source software (FOSS) would solve this problem, this isn&#8217;t not necessary. </p>
<p>Just ensure that the public has the rights it deserves for it&#8217;s vast expenditure. And if the current generation of suppliers want to walk away &#8211; let them go. New entrepreneurs untainted by failure will step up to replace them. </p>
<p>The second key is to provide a mechanism to allow public spirited advocates to speak on behalf of alternative innovative information system solutions during the procurement process. Increased use of FOSS should not just be about repeating the failures of the part at reduced cost. The purchasing process is dominated by those with vested interests in ensuring an expensive but inappropriate solution are chosen. High risk, expensive revolutionary approaches are chosen in the knowledge that the public will continue to pay until they work, without even considering whether low cost, low risk evolutionary approaches might deliver more at less cost.</p>
<p>It is particularly ironic that the public in the UK includes some of the world&#8217;s forecast computer scientists, world famous information architects and top coders but the state fears to ask their expert advice. The cost and impact of these systems are vast. The process needs to be more like a public inquiry and less like back room horse trading.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke Lawford</title>
		<link>http://www.makeitbetter.org.uk/?p=74&#038;cpage=1#comment-112</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke Lawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much as I hate to admit, I think the government Open Source policy announced 12 months ago is pretty good. The issue is that it was announced 12 months ago and absolutely nothing has happened since. In fact the Microsoft MOU with OGC was re-signed at almost the same time. 
The policy announced last year had in fact been kicking around for a long time and it was only rushed out after George Osbourne wrote about OSS in The Times. As usual with gesture politics no thought was given to implementation of the policy and that&#039;s why there has been no progress.
There are many suggested ways to get OSS software more widely used in government - from mandating it to incentivising the SIs to use it more but the simple truth is that it requires some will at the top level whatever mechanism you choose.

3/10 - John tries hard but finds some of the concepts difficult to understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much as I hate to admit, I think the government Open Source policy announced 12 months ago is pretty good. The issue is that it was announced 12 months ago and absolutely nothing has happened since. In fact the Microsoft MOU with OGC was re-signed at almost the same time.<br />
The policy announced last year had in fact been kicking around for a long time and it was only rushed out after George Osbourne wrote about OSS in The Times. As usual with gesture politics no thought was given to implementation of the policy and that&#8217;s why there has been no progress.<br />
There are many suggested ways to get OSS software more widely used in government &#8211; from mandating it to incentivising the SIs to use it more but the simple truth is that it requires some will at the top level whatever mechanism you choose.</p>
<p>3/10 &#8211; John tries hard but finds some of the concepts difficult to understand.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://www.makeitbetter.org.uk/?p=74&#038;cpage=1#comment-106</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want a fine example of how to ignore Open Source and waste money by being tied into an existing supplier for a major slice of IT services - who clearly have an inability to deliver in new developments then look no further than the link below. It does require the extra condition of having incumbent ICT management with a poor knowledge of what is achievable using Open Source - and that is maybe where we have to start - by ensuring that key decision makers in Govt IT have adequate knowledge and skills to make these decisions?

http://paulcanning.blogspot.com/2009/09/lessons-from-great-2009-birmingham-city.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want a fine example of how to ignore Open Source and waste money by being tied into an existing supplier for a major slice of IT services &#8211; who clearly have an inability to deliver in new developments then look no further than the link below. It does require the extra condition of having incumbent ICT management with a poor knowledge of what is achievable using Open Source &#8211; and that is maybe where we have to start &#8211; by ensuring that key decision makers in Govt IT have adequate knowledge and skills to make these decisions?</p>
<p><a href="http://paulcanning.blogspot.com/2009/09/lessons-from-great-2009-birmingham-city.html" rel="nofollow">http://paulcanning.blogspot.com/2009/09/lessons-from-great-2009-birmingham-city.html</a></p>
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