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	<title>Comments on: 4.6.	The Common Desktop Strategy</title>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.makeitbetter.org.uk/?p=119&#038;cpage=1#comment-295</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 00:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look at HMG IT procurement - I challenge you to find any way to make projects over run time or budget any more than they already do.

HMG IT spending seems to produce the least amount of bang for the most bucks.

Do you expect these clowns to start seeking value for money?   Surely you need to sack them all, because we have had HMG departments doing little more than burning taxes for twenty-five years - do you think they will change?  They have form, left to make their own policies they will carry on wasting money.

They need a change of culture.   Why not move them on to Ubuntu (my children managed that at age 9) and Open Office?  Would the change be any greater than the change from Office 2003 to Office 2007?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at HMG IT procurement &#8211; I challenge you to find any way to make projects over run time or budget any more than they already do.</p>
<p>HMG IT spending seems to produce the least amount of bang for the most bucks.</p>
<p>Do you expect these clowns to start seeking value for money?   Surely you need to sack them all, because we have had HMG departments doing little more than burning taxes for twenty-five years &#8211; do you think they will change?  They have form, left to make their own policies they will carry on wasting money.</p>
<p>They need a change of culture.   Why not move them on to Ubuntu (my children managed that at age 9) and Open Office?  Would the change be any greater than the change from Office 2003 to Office 2007?</p>
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		<title>By: William H</title>
		<link>http://www.makeitbetter.org.uk/?p=119&#038;cpage=1#comment-236</link>
		<dc:creator>William H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan says: common standards – common calendaring, open document format, pdf, common spreadsheet interchange etc

+1

Also - can you please publish all your own evidence of &quot;cost per desktop&quot; under the various arrangements in place (eg big outsourcing contracts, SIs, locally bought? This is public money and oyu should be transparent about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan says: common standards – common calendaring, open document format, pdf, common spreadsheet interchange etc</p>
<p>+1</p>
<p>Also &#8211; can you please publish all your own evidence of &#8220;cost per desktop&#8221; under the various arrangements in place (eg big outsourcing contracts, SIs, locally bought? This is public money and oyu should be transparent about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Mayes</title>
		<link>http://www.makeitbetter.org.uk/?p=119&#038;cpage=1#comment-224</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Mayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 03:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice idea Feargal regarding Ubuntu, but the costs of IT support would rocket. The aim of a common desktop is to reduce IT support costs, not increase them! I&#039;m not for one minute saying that OpenOffice is not the way to go, but just think of the learning curve for those that have only used Windoze. &quot;Where&#039;s my start button?&quot;

Although, there does need to be a certain amount of user configurability, a government organisation recently changed permissions for changing the screen saver, despite a small, but important part of the workforce needed the screen saver disabled to enable information to be displayed at all times. Oh no, the IT bods say, this is to improve security. Now, the workforce have to use a hi-tech device called a stapler to rest on the keyboard to stop the PCs from activating the screen saver, I kid you not!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice idea Feargal regarding Ubuntu, but the costs of IT support would rocket. The aim of a common desktop is to reduce IT support costs, not increase them! I&#8217;m not for one minute saying that OpenOffice is not the way to go, but just think of the learning curve for those that have only used Windoze. &#8220;Where&#8217;s my start button?&#8221;</p>
<p>Although, there does need to be a certain amount of user configurability, a government organisation recently changed permissions for changing the screen saver, despite a small, but important part of the workforce needed the screen saver disabled to enable information to be displayed at all times. Oh no, the IT bods say, this is to improve security. Now, the workforce have to use a hi-tech device called a stapler to rest on the keyboard to stop the PCs from activating the screen saver, I kid you not!</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.makeitbetter.org.uk/?p=119&#038;cpage=1#comment-212</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 00:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who&#039;s had to suffer at the hands of the utterly disastrous &quot;DII&quot; initiative at the MoD knows damn well that half baked ideas like this, driven by people who don&#039;t understand the issues at hand, let alone the solutions, don&#039;t work.  A bit of background - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2007/11/19/228122/MoD39s-1635bn-Defence-Information-Infrastructure-hits-major.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2007/11/19/228122/MoD39s-1635bn-Defence-Information-Infrastructure-hits-major.htm&lt;/a&gt;, and here&#039;s the kicker, that articles was written 2 years yet the problems are still there (and in many ways, getting worse).

No doubt the govt will pick a single supplier, and no doubt they&#039;ll pick a supplier with a proven track record of failure.  It&#039;s impossible to get a govt IT contract unless you&#039;ve previously gone over budget by at least £1million on a previous project and delivered it at least 6 months late.

To summarise, if a monkey puts its hand in a fire, it won&#039;t do it again.  This government is not only putting its hand back in the fire after being burnt several times, but it&#039;s trying to pick up the hot coals and juggle them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who&#8217;s had to suffer at the hands of the utterly disastrous &#8220;DII&#8221; initiative at the MoD knows damn well that half baked ideas like this, driven by people who don&#8217;t understand the issues at hand, let alone the solutions, don&#8217;t work.  A bit of background &#8211; <a href="http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2007/11/19/228122/MoD39s-1635bn-Defence-Information-Infrastructure-hits-major.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2007/11/19/228122/MoD39s-1635bn-Defence-Information-Infrastructure-hits-major.htm</a>, and here&#8217;s the kicker, that articles was written 2 years yet the problems are still there (and in many ways, getting worse).</p>
<p>No doubt the govt will pick a single supplier, and no doubt they&#8217;ll pick a supplier with a proven track record of failure.  It&#8217;s impossible to get a govt IT contract unless you&#8217;ve previously gone over budget by at least £1million on a previous project and delivered it at least 6 months late.</p>
<p>To summarise, if a monkey puts its hand in a fire, it won&#8217;t do it again.  This government is not only putting its hand back in the fire after being burnt several times, but it&#8217;s trying to pick up the hot coals and juggle them.</p>
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		<title>By: Edgar</title>
		<link>http://www.makeitbetter.org.uk/?p=119&#038;cpage=1#comment-193</link>
		<dc:creator>Edgar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How does this relate to the 2003 NAO report &quot;Purchasing and Managing Software Licences&quot;

e.g Para 4: Ninety-five per cent of departments use Microsoft software (Figure 2) and in
May 2001 it announced new licencing arrangements to operate worldwide
from August 2002. OGC and departments assessed the likely additional costs
they would incur from these changes as being in the region of £40 million to
£60 million per year. In response, OGC with the support of departments
negotiated with Microsoft to secure more favourable terms. In March 2002
OGC announced a Memorandum of Understanding setting out the principles
under which Microsoft will conduct business with the UK public sector for the
three years to March 2005. This includes the pricing arrangements and the
discounts which Microsoft will offer1. At the same time OGC announced
agreements with Sun Microsystems and Lotus/IBM and subsequently secured
agreements with Corel and Oracle.

Para 7. Across the
public sector as a whole, OGC estimated that the Memoranda would save
£36 million on direct price reductions, and using the returns from suppliers
OGC estimates that the Memoranda have saved £31 million on direct price
reductions in the first ten months. Thirty-one departments have so far used the
Memorandum with Microsoft and five departments have used the Memoranda
agreed with other suppliers. Departments have been slower in taking up the
terms offered by Microsoft than OGC anticipated</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does this relate to the 2003 NAO report &#8220;Purchasing and Managing Software Licences&#8221;</p>
<p>e.g Para 4: Ninety-five per cent of departments use Microsoft software (Figure 2) and in<br />
May 2001 it announced new licencing arrangements to operate worldwide<br />
from August 2002. OGC and departments assessed the likely additional costs<br />
they would incur from these changes as being in the region of £40 million to<br />
£60 million per year. In response, OGC with the support of departments<br />
negotiated with Microsoft to secure more favourable terms. In March 2002<br />
OGC announced a Memorandum of Understanding setting out the principles<br />
under which Microsoft will conduct business with the UK public sector for the<br />
three years to March 2005. This includes the pricing arrangements and the<br />
discounts which Microsoft will offer1. At the same time OGC announced<br />
agreements with Sun Microsystems and Lotus/IBM and subsequently secured<br />
agreements with Corel and Oracle.</p>
<p>Para 7. Across the<br />
public sector as a whole, OGC estimated that the Memoranda would save<br />
£36 million on direct price reductions, and using the returns from suppliers<br />
OGC estimates that the Memoranda have saved £31 million on direct price<br />
reductions in the first ten months. Thirty-one departments have so far used the<br />
Memorandum with Microsoft and five departments have used the Memoranda<br />
agreed with other suppliers. Departments have been slower in taking up the<br />
terms offered by Microsoft than OGC anticipated</p>
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		<title>By: Feargal Hogan</title>
		<link>http://www.makeitbetter.org.uk/?p=119&#038;cpage=1#comment-184</link>
		<dc:creator>Feargal Hogan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a novel suggestion. Rather than inflict a &#039;standard&#039; desktop across the entire public service, why not &#039;give&#039; each public servant a small budget to &#039;purchase&#039; their own desktop and associated support services. offer them a bonus of 50% of any budgetary savings they make, and see how long it takes for 25% of the whole service to migrate to a Ubuntu/OpenOffice/Firefox/Thunderbird solution?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a novel suggestion. Rather than inflict a &#8217;standard&#8217; desktop across the entire public service, why not &#8216;give&#8217; each public servant a small budget to &#8216;purchase&#8217; their own desktop and associated support services. offer them a bonus of 50% of any budgetary savings they make, and see how long it takes for 25% of the whole service to migrate to a Ubuntu/OpenOffice/Firefox/Thunderbird solution?</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://www.makeitbetter.org.uk/?p=119&#038;cpage=1#comment-161</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Government is in the position to drive towards a single stack, but a single stack fits everyone badly and means every user has the same security hole, goes down with the same bug, dies with the same update.

It also hands the keys to the provider by removing competition options.

Instead government should drive for common standards - common calendaring, open document format, pdf, common spreadsheet interchange etc.

On the hardware sides driving for standards will help keep competition - UK goverment is big enough to influence feature sets and keep competition (especially as most of the feature sets it needs are already demanded by big business for security purposes anyway)

Who cares what system is run (and the variety is managable). Open standards allow every different system to use the web, the same can be done for document exchange, calendaring, you name it, without locking to a single supplier stack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Government is in the position to drive towards a single stack, but a single stack fits everyone badly and means every user has the same security hole, goes down with the same bug, dies with the same update.</p>
<p>It also hands the keys to the provider by removing competition options.</p>
<p>Instead government should drive for common standards &#8211; common calendaring, open document format, pdf, common spreadsheet interchange etc.</p>
<p>On the hardware sides driving for standards will help keep competition &#8211; UK goverment is big enough to influence feature sets and keep competition (especially as most of the feature sets it needs are already demanded by big business for security purposes anyway)</p>
<p>Who cares what system is run (and the variety is managable). Open standards allow every different system to use the web, the same can be done for document exchange, calendaring, you name it, without locking to a single supplier stack.</p>
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		<title>By: citizen46</title>
		<link>http://www.makeitbetter.org.uk/?p=119&#038;cpage=1#comment-151</link>
		<dc:creator>citizen46</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Within limits, the simpler the desktop is, the better. Govt should keep an eye on the opportunities to get things like wordprocessing programs and presentation programs (yawn) off people&#039;s desktop and accessed over the net. Ditto for some of the applications that might appear in the govt app store.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Within limits, the simpler the desktop is, the better. Govt should keep an eye on the opportunities to get things like wordprocessing programs and presentation programs (yawn) off people&#8217;s desktop and accessed over the net. Ditto for some of the applications that might appear in the govt app store.</p>
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		<title>By: Prof. Marcus Xaesar</title>
		<link>http://www.makeitbetter.org.uk/?p=119&#038;cpage=1#comment-144</link>
		<dc:creator>Prof. Marcus Xaesar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugs; not this issue again, [ Desktop &#124; [ Itinerant &#124; eMobility ] ]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugs; not this issue again, [ Desktop | [ Itinerant | eMobility ] ]</p>
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		<title>By: Eeyore</title>
		<link>http://www.makeitbetter.org.uk/?p=119&#038;cpage=1#comment-132</link>
		<dc:creator>Eeyore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The organisation I work for have been aiming for one common desktop for ten years. How many did they have at the start? 8. How many do they have now? 30+.

It can be done, but can the government (any party) achieve it? Not without a heck of a lot more planning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The organisation I work for have been aiming for one common desktop for ten years. How many did they have at the start? 8. How many do they have now? 30+.</p>
<p>It can be done, but can the government (any party) achieve it? Not without a heck of a lot more planning.</p>
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